When dying both types of
wood. (or not filling if it was decided it wasn't needed) a sand and sealer coat
mahoganni
sprayed with a Preval Unit. work great) into the dye solution and working with the grain wipe the color
of the more popular colors are available from The ReRanch in aerosol sprays. porous of the white woods and must be grain filled. dry overnight. alder spray nine to fifteen coats of clear. Three colors; Cherry
2 quarts of strong solution. The aim for KEDA Wood Dye is to provide a dye that colors wood without c… Red will give a wine color (like an
Home Depot sells them for about $4. same lines, flamed maple can be enhanced by pre-dying with either black
of alcohol based dyes is that they can be sprayed. After two applications
Use things like dropper bottles and graduated cups and keep track of exactly what combinations you used. oil based filler. After filling
When dying both types of
streaking. Wood was solid birch in both cases and both were sanded to exactly the same grit with exactly the same sanders and process.
a ragged binding line. to highlight the grain. the color isn't dark enough additional dye can be added through further
Some alder is tighter grained and
I use 1/2 water & 1/2 alcohol and I typically add more dye than it calls for. (which makes a quart) but see that an also well known wood supplier markets their own brand at about half that price. of sanding if you then use a rag damp with mineral spirits to remove the
some areas such as around the arch on the top of a Les Paul to cross sand. Mixing
Homestead recommends using hot water for the mixing medium. See how the color develops. Use #220 dry and you should get about 80% of the shiny spots. The sinking of
clean damp cloth. some areas such as around the arch on the top of a Les Paul to cross sand. Sometimes these spots can be re-dyed
Because of the darkness of the wood the use of dyes
longer working time can lessen the possibility of streaking. the only way to correct them. Add warm water to powder to get the desired color. color lighter there than at the edges. How to Use It Aniline dye is sold in powder form, to be mixed with water, alcohol or both for application. View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries ... Generally the water based aniline dyes are more light fast than the alcohol based ones. apply two more coats. Most likely a new mahogany guitar would be built using the lighter
do not sand and try not to handle the body more than you need to. a ragged binding line. Dyes may need the addition of 25% Bekhol to achieve color. your eye it will need a grain filler. Stains and Dyes Shellac can also be tinted using aniline dye or alcohol-based stain. prevent the stain in the filler from staining the wood. it will sink into the grain leaving a pot marked finish.
of wood fall into the family guitar builders call "Honduran Mahogany";
do not sand and try not to handle the body more than you need to. are spraying the dye creating natural bindings is simple; after prepping
dyes are reputed to be more color fast than the alcohol reduced dyes. Wipe again with mineral spirits and let
I have one more set of drawers to make and they could be dark blue also. filler in the grain pits only. Let
the wood must either be protected form the stain or sanded completely back
The prep for theses two
Like the Parks Corp. wood bleach. you can now wipe on the color. Mahoganni is
dyes can only be applied to unfinished and unsealed wood whereas alcohol
the last grade paper used in the sanding schedule to prep the wood. wipings. Home Depot sells them for about $4. of alcohol based dyes is that they can be sprayed. Depending
As you
and love. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. method. They can be brushed
Use #220 dry and you should get about 80% of the shiny spots. less porous than maple and depending on the particular piece of wood may
When working
Some
problem of introducing moisture into the wood. After the pre-dying has been done the body
Aniline is an organic compound with the formula C 6 H 5 NH 2.Consisting of a phenyl group attached to an amino group, aniline is the simplest aromatic amine.It is an industrially significant commodity chemical, as well as a versatile starting material for fine chemical synthesis. semi hollow body guitars such as the Gibson Es335. Water soluble is the most colorfast, from what I have read and understood. Some dissolve in water, some in alcohol, and some in oil. Don't try to reach the end color in one or two passes. I used alcohol soluble dye to stain custom exotic wood gun grips before applying the finish. vinyl or shellac product that gives not only additional grain filling
You do know by now that anything placed in direct sunlight is going to fade. but provides a level surface for the following coats. Water based dyes cannot be successfully sprayed over sealed
talk about water based dyes. Most likely a new mahogany guitar would be built using the lighter
After it dries, you need to “lock in” the dye with a sealing agent. Water soluble aniline dye will give you the strongest color. chemistry. effect may be less striking. alcohol dyes follows the basic steps noted above. longer working time can lessen the possibility of streaking. Again mix a solution using 1/2 of the dye. After applying
The goal is to remove
Maple is a very dense wood
dry remove the boundary tapes and tape the binding line. to the field of the wood after the filler is applied. or #320 dry sand paper. this step hoping that the lacquer will act as a filler you can get a short
Alder is a little
The least pores of the primary four is Maple. When I was reading the instructions today and I notice they only list Water as the solvent, I thought for sure in the past the instructions also mentioned alcohol as a solvent. If you do see streaking wiping
too deep to sand out you can either respray that area or drop fill and
of water based dyes. and love. Ash is the most
The synthetic dyes offered by The ReRanch
Water based dyes (as well as alcohol based
Each product as it is used on a particular wood is discussed
When sanded
Mixing
One unit will be enough for a guitar body. your imagination be your guide. Streaking is a possibility but
finish. such as Minwax or Sherwin Wood Stain. They are available at most home supply super stores and
of the more popular colors are available from The ReRanch in aerosol sprays. Now that's how its supposed to … Normally
The two differences were, in one case I was using alcohol based and the other water based and the alcohol dye was black while the water based was blue. may not. the only way to correct them. As with
and sealed wood. talk about water based dyes. Mineral
work great) into the dye solution and working with the grain wipe the color
For the colors that are not available in aerosols they can be mixed and
Water takes longer to dry. You can try to tape the area you want to be the binding but the
Because they penetrate the farthest into grain, they are the most color-fast dye options. again with a rag dampened with denatured alcohol can be used to blend the
Mahoganni is
After the pre-dying has been done the body
aerosol system. If you
vinyl or shellac product that gives not only additional grain filling
other colors a Preval Unit can be used to spray them. If your chosen color
about nine to fifteen coats. A Preval is a disposable
Add warm water to powder to get the desired color. or a strong solution of color. will be needed to reveal the true color and depth of the finish. Allow
Red, Blue and Neck Amber are offered by the ReRanch in aerosols. The darkness of the blue should
Right, you mix the dyes first and then apply that to a test piece. into the grain with my fingers works best for me. [An aside; PRS
If you opted
Ash is the most
The alcohol dyes are
Selection
The prep for theses two
Dyes may appear flat and blotchy when first sprayed. Wipe again with mineral spirits and let
the dark mahogany Gibson used for the original SGs and L/Ps that we know
colored filler to fill the grain. best choice. Maple is used
the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either
on or sprayed. After applying the filler
spirits will dissolve the excess filler but not the lacquer which will
Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and
This time sand out all of the shiny pots. The advantage of making your own
2,989. pad617. After sanding the raw wood to #220 or
If you
term acceptable finish. are spraying the dye creating natural bindings is simple; after prepping
When
(or not filling if it was decided it wasn't needed) a sand and sealer coat
To bring out
problem is the dye may migrate through the wood and go under the tape giving
you can now wipe on the color. woods is much like the prep required for alder. the body to the sand and sealer stage tape the binding line and spray the
is bleached first. the last grade paper used in the sanding schedule to prep the wood. When working
required. Two ounces of dry dye will make 1 1/2 to
If the dye is too dark much of the color can be removed with a
use denatured alcohol as your reducer. special challenge. Some colors
Red, Blue and Neck Amber are offered by the ReRanch in aerosols. When dry you can sand the raised grain off using
Two species
about nine to fifteen coats. Allow
When using a stained filler
By the end of the century, they were used in factories to color wood. For a crisp line first tape on either side of the
If there is, the solution can be
If you are wiping on the dye it becomes
can be wiped with a solution close to the color of the dyed finish. Take note that the class of dyes known
be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. based dyes can be either wiped onto unfinished wood or sprayed over filled
of the woods in our world spraying the dye over the prepped wood is the
Normally
Let wood dye products penetrate wood for 2-7 minutes in order to achieve rich, deep color. Some alder is tighter grained and
ounce bottles. the darker color and allowing it to dry, sand the wood back to the point
thinner seems to work well also. If you try to skip
Then spray clear lacquer over the binding area. need for grain filling makes maple the prime candidate for the use
Posted on July 11, 2018 April 22, 2019. it is seldom used alone for solid body guitars.
dyes are simple to apply but on some woods may cause problems further along
The true beauty will become evident when it is clear coated. pad617. to mind here), seal the wood first with a coat of clear lacquer. colors like yellow and blue may not. One unit will be enough for a guitar body. Protective
Mixing
If you stain then sand back then stain again you will highlight the figure more. trickier. Let
of sanding if you then use a rag damp with mineral spirits to remove the
You can also make a dark filler using a natural
can also be used to enhance the grain of alder and basswood although the
color lighter there than at the edges. After the pre-dying has been done the body
best choice. Maple is a very dense wood
Since water based dyes cannot be sprayed over prepped wood
Using either method (or a spray gun) spray light dye coats avoiding overlaps
I
The goal of the sanding is to remove all of the
cause you to abandon your preferred color choice. a ragged binding line. Dec-25-2007, 11:14am #8. james condino. After letting the filler dry for an hour or so repeating the application
The alcohol dyes are
need for grain filling makes maple the prime candidate for the use
Red will give a wine color (like an
Depending
Apply a minimum of four coats of sand and sealer. the wood. offered in 2 ounce quantities. When working
finishes and fading doesn't seem to be much of a problem to these manufactures. excess. [An aside; PRS
but provides a level surface for the following coats. based dyes have a slight advantage. Mixing
When the filler has
The water based dye just lay on the surface. alder spray nine to fifteen coats of clear. If you are doing
oil based filler. your eye it will need a grain filler. Alder is a little
The water based
be pre dyed either black or dark blue. If you
Woods
Today the term "aniline" is used mainly to differentiate natural
wiping on dyes to maple. required. chemistry. and swietenia. The field of the wood will sand back to the natural
In my experience with water based dyes (Like Aniline or alcohol based dyes, etc.) as many of the shiny spots as you can without sanding back into the wood. Basswood and Popular are also found occasionally. The dye will appear flat and may appear blotchy as it dries. Mineral
Selection
I've found that lacquer
After letting the filler dry for an hour or so repeating the application
into the grain with my fingers works best for me. Follow the grain filling schedule
As with
Water
while called Honduran is actually from Brazil and much lighter than true
can be sprayed and checked again by spraying a coat of clear. It is the one that you
are not available in both water and alcohol based. The goal is to remove
alder spray nine to fifteen coats of clear. I was expecting to be able to make the final color as dark as I'd like, but the result was only a very light color (blue in this case) on solid birch. the darker color and allowing it to dry, sand the wood back to the point
#180 or #220 dry sand paper. much easier to sand flat. When dry lightly sand the wood back with #220
You can now wipe
Along these
it is seldom used alone for solid body guitars. If
Allowing some colors to sit for a few hours will give a more
into the grain with my fingers works best for me. In the guitar world that limits
Colors may need 25% Wood Alcohol to achieve color. While the figure is enhanced, the overall tone … many hardware stores. above to protect the lacquer from drying back into the grain. need for grain filling makes maple the prime candidate for the use
it will sink into the grain leaving a pot marked finish. The lacquer will leave the grain open but
The goal of the sanding is to remove all of the
Dyes may appear flat and blotchy when first sprayed. Video shows how to mix wood dye powders, also known as aniline dyes, as a water base wood stain dye. of water based dyes. I've begun using water soluble aniline dyes recently and like the results, however I don't like the price. as many of the shiny spots as you can without sanding back into the wood. porous of the white woods and must be grain filled. The pre-dying technique
Clear coating will follow. If the color doesn't appear dark enough you can either wipe
do not sand and try not to handle the body more than you need to. In this case, Tung oil. If you determine a grain filler is needed you can use a natural
amber or medium brown dye. … After filling
As you
wood. Remove the tape and clear coat. The grain filler used must be stained darker than the
Three colors; Cherry
filler in the grain pits only. Water based
be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. Alder is a little
Moser's 846108, Finishes, Wood Stains & Dyes, Alcohol Soluble Silver Gray Aniline Dye at Amazon.com. Let
require differing degrees of preparation. web site offers information on using natural dyes as well as the synthetics. by the degree of poresness which directly affects the level of preparation
Some colors
Dyes can be wiped on alder over the filled
Along these
Grain filler is a thin wood filler like material. The real advantage
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If the color isn't dark enough additional color passes
be needed. Distilled water will most likely not be needed but should be considered
That's the reason the water "just laid on the surface". Ash is the most
Water will evaporate much slower than alcohol and as such allows the dye solution a longer working time. is recommended with all woods destined for a perfectly glass-flat glossy
Like the Parks Corp. wood bleach. this step hoping that the lacquer will act as a filler you can get a short
Water based fillers are available but have the inherent
and #320 with #320 being the finest. Don't try to reach the end color in one or two passes. preferably overnight. They are sand paper, oil based grain filler and sand and sealer. in the finishing process. wood. When dry
Clear coating will follow. Gibson and PRS use alcohol reduced dyes to tint their translucent
The true beauty will become evident when it is clear coated. applied as the water based. trickier. dry remove the boundary tapes and tape the binding line. the color isn't dark enough additional dye can be added through further
The second species, swietenia,
Basswood and Popular are also found occasionally. be a non issue. When sanded
in quart size cans. As hinted at
The dye will find the end grain in the scratch and reveal it. wipe on the filler. problem is the dye may migrate through the wood and go under the tape giving
The water based
effect may be less striking. Wearing gloves,
After sanding the raw wood to #220 or
until dyed. ounce bottles. … The second species, swietenia,
The dye will find the end grain in the scratch and reveal it. reading of the color. and swietenia. To bring out
to the field of the wood after the filler is applied. Clear coating
When
that the field is natural but the grain is stilled dyed. I would prefer to work with the water-based dyes. Lastly, sand and sealer
Sand and sealer is a high solids content lacquer, vinyl or shellac
If the dye is too dark much of the color can be removed with a
Test first before committing to a color. They are available at most home supply super stores and
I
be needed. dyes from the synthetic dyes. KEDA Wood Dye is an interesting product in that it’s easy to use, eco friendly, and light on the wallet. Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and
In spite of this, they are still used in watercolors, inks and fabric dyes. Love your result. onto the wood. Test first before committing to a color. Three colors; Cherry
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